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Why People Who Listen to Podcasts Are Suddenly Feeling Left Out

By Nat Ives | WSJ Leadership Institute

 

Good morning. Today, cameras alter an audio sensation.

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The podcast industry’s aggressive embrace of video is leaving audio fans confused. Alexandra Citrin-Safadi/WSJ

Podcasts’ embrace of video has been great for promoting shows on TikTok and YouTube, but giving hosts a visual medium has left some headphone listeners struggling to keep up.

Picture the key anecdote from David Marcelis’s Journal piece this morning on one problem with podcasts’ pivot to video:

Jordan Blair was behind the wheel when she realized she had picked the wrong podcast to listen to.

“Today, we’re touching down in the ’70s to talk about Chippendales. Not these guys. Theeeese guys, whose name strangely comes from…this guy,” Harvey Guillén, the host of “Killer Stories,” said in the episode’s intro.

“Who? What?” Blair recalled thinking. Then she remembered: “Killer Stories” had begun offering a video version as part of a rebrand.

“When I realized that there was not going to be any context given, I was a little annoyed,” said Blair, a 35-year-old from Idaho. “I had to find something else to listen to.”

Now that YouTube is the No. 1 podcasting platform and Netflix is in the game, of course, it’s not so easy to find an audio-only alternative.

And beyond the comprehension questions, video changes the unique value proposition of a medium built on intimacy—both for listeners and for marketers.

Rising ad loads had already probably undermined the experience for some listeners, theoretically diminishing podcast ad effectiveness in the process.

Then cameras introduced another complication for hosts and brands.

Host-read podcast ads on YouTube were up to 25% less effective at driving purchases than in audio-only environments, according to research covered by the WSJ Leadership Institute’s Katie Deighton in December. The gap likely reflects audiences’ differing mindsets with each format, the bric-a-brac distractions that surround YouTube’s Default View, and hosts’ varying skill and enthusiasm for video show-and-tell.

And without necessarily comparing “Crime Junkie,” “Good Hang” or “Smartless” to the Supreme Court, let’s remember the justices’ successful resistance to allowing cameras into their proceedings, claiming that video would encourage attorneys and even the justices themselves to play to TV audiences.

Here’s Chief Justice John Roberts in 2018:

“I ask people, which public institution has been improved by being televised?”

 

The Magic Number

17.6%

Increase in podcast ad revenue last year, to a total of $2.9 billion, according to the new 2025 Internet Advertising Revenue Report conducted by PwC

 
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The scarcity of Apple’s littlest Mac comes at a time of high interest from AI power users and a potential product refresh. CFoto/Future Publishing via Getty Images

Why can’t anyone buy a Mac Mini right now?

It’s the perfect storm of supply and demand, Nicole Nguyen writes for the Journal.

You wouldn’t expect to hear “sold out” if you went to buy a niche product with no screen and chips that lag behind the current MacBook lineup.

But AI has a way of changing things, and the Mac Mini has in the past six months or so become the must-have host for private, “always-on” agents like OpenClaw.

It’s a cost-effective way for AI power users to run local large language models that can eat up dozens of gigabytes of RAM, aka memory. Running such software directly on a machine helps these people avoid usage quotas from cloud-based providers.

“Apple was caught up by the number of people buying Minis for Clawdbot [aka OpenClaw], which would have been impossible to predict a few months ago,” said Francisco Jeronimo, vice president at research firm IDC.

Elsewhere at Apple: Stan Ng, vice president of product marketing for Apple Watch, AirPods, Health and Home, is retiring after more than 30 years at the company. [9to5Mac]

 

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